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What Now?

I’m not a liberal. I’m not a safe space, social crusader. I’m not a sore loser who can’t get over the fact that Hillary Clinton wasn’t elected president. The notion that I had to put what lukewarm support I had for a candidate behind her was a source of great frustration for me. I am, at my very core, someone with conservative foundations. I believe that men and women, whenever possible, should be free to live their lives without government intervention. My family and my Christian faith are the center of my life. I like my guns. Chances are, I’m better than you at using them. I’ve worked with and for the toughest most dangerous men on the planet-men you’ve read books about, men you’ve seen movies about. I’ll never claim to be one. But I’ve proven myself useful in their presence. I share this with you so you understand where and who the message I’m about to deliver comes from.

I’ve been all over this planet. And there’s a troubling observation that I’ve made on my way. It’s that mankind, when left to our own devices, does not naturally accept different people. Whether I saw Sunni and Shia in Iraq refusing to recognize the humanity of the other because of relatively nuanced differences in their common faith, or tribal warfare and genocide in sub-Saharan Africa or racial oppression and modern slavery of East Asia, the ingrained need to divide and subjugate others is ever present. In mankind’s darkest moments, the most common culprit has been that division.

For most of the last seventy thousand years, since the cognitive revolution of man drove us to organize, we’ve programmed ourselves to trust and support those that are similar to us. The result is that there have been frighteningly few societies in the history of mankind which have not been separated by either race, class or gender. Where there is one race, we make caste systems. Where lack of structure provides no castes, we subjugate gender. It’s as consistent across time and region as the number of our limbs or the shape of our organs. Fifty years ago in America, we made the first real effort, at scale, in the history of man, to change it in a society as diverse as ours. And since then, we’ve made great but imperfect progress. The work isn’t done. But we’re further than where we were 50 years ago. When we get there and make good on the promise penned by our forefathers, it will be the greatest, rarest accomplishment in our history.

On Tuesday, we took one giant leap backward on the arc of our journey to one people. And over the last four days, I’ve been bombarded by explanations of why Donald J. Trump was just elected president. I don’t need any more. I didn’t need them in the first place. I know why he was elected. He was elected because the only message that matters for the American government in 2016 is a need for change. And when the alternative to that change was someone who moved into the White House when I was fifteen, (I’m 40 now) that choice was clear for some. But it was a choice. And the ultimate choice that was made, the one people will remember a hundred years from now, was a willingness to ignore personal decency and fair treatment towards people who are different in service to that change. That was the choice that the minority of the American electorate made. That was the choice that about a quarter of eligible American voters made.

I’m not here to argue the legitimacy of the results. And I don’t get to pick and choose whether I support democracy because of the outcomes. I won’t tell you that you are a racist or a bigot if you voted for Donald Trump. I won’t even tell you that you personally are indecent. But I will tell you what you just bought with your choice. You bought a very vigilant, sensitive and loud American majority who will cry foul at the drop of a hat for anything that resembles attacks on those we have fought so hard for these last fifty years. Because what you showed us with his nomination and your vote in the election, is that you can’t be trusted to do it without us.

Many of my devout conservative friends were remarkably quiet when their candidate trashed their personal values. And they were remarkably quiet when their candidate made inexcusable first hand remarks about minorities, women and disabled Americans. And they were remarkably quiet when the dark forces of white supremacists aligned themselves in support of their candidate. I understand why. You couldn’t live with the alternative. So you rationalized out of fear that speaking up would enable it. Well, that risk is gone now. You avoided the end you couldn’t live with. That excuse is gone. And now it’s fair to say that tolerance of that behavior from here on can only be seen as an endorsement of it. So when there’s a KKK rally in North Carolina to celebrate the election of the candidate you support, you no longer have any excuse not to condemn it with the same uncompromising vigor that you condemned Hillary. Let’s see the memes. Let’s see the Facebook posts. Let’s see the outrage.

Perhaps the rest of America can trust you to hold the leader of our government to the change you so uncompromisingly sought. But we won’t trust you to look out for our fellow Americans who are different. So get ready for four years of vocal, loud, peaceful I pray, dissent. If you thought the core Trump supporters would be loud if Hillary Clinton won, what do you think is going to happen now that you’ve  marginalized a group that has much more to lose than freedom from background checks for guns and a ten percent lag in wage growth? At stake for them, is participation in our society. And if their vocal insistence on it is something you aren’t willing to tolerate, then perhaps you might consider a different path in thirty months when you get to choose your next leader without the looming evil of Hillary excusing your choice. You can’t point to her any more as cause.

If insistence on decent treatment of all Americans makes me a liberal in the eyes of conservatives, then maybe we should take some time to reflect on who our modern conservatives actually are. The world is watching.

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    • The article above, which I’ve read several times from beginning to end (several quotes are below) is insulting to MANY who DO care.

      Sean is insinuating that the ONLY people who care about ALL Americans, are ONLY those who agree with the author and didn’t vote for Trump. According to the author, no one who voted for Trump has the right to claim legitimate concern for ALL Americans. I quote: “Perhaps the rest of America can trust you to hold the leader of our government to the change you so uncompromisingly sought. But we won’t trust you to look out for our fellow Americans who are different. So get ready for four years of vocal, loud, peaceful I pray, dissent. (me: Peaceful dissent, I’m sure, probably like the peaceful protesters outside Trump rallies during the campaign and in streets since the election, right? — NOT peaceful, but paid belligerents, all in the name of peaceful protest?) Author continues: If you thought the core Trump supporters would be loud if Hillary Clinton won, (me: like the horrible Trump supporters were when they were outside protesting violently at all the Hillary rallies? — NOT! Who has shown their tendency to spew violence, hate, and destruction? Hillary supporters or Trump supporters?) what do you think is going to happen now that you’ve marginalized a group that has much more to lose than freedom from background checks for guns and a ten percent lag in wage growth? At stake for them, is participation in our society. (me: Really? Like the current changes have made things better for ALL Americans, including those who want to participate in our society but CANT or won’t be allowed to? Who says they can’t? YOU? The fear mongering media? WHO? WHO wants to prevent them from participating as law abiding citizens?) And if their vocal insistence on it is something you aren’t willing to tolerate, then perhaps you might consider a different path in thirty months when you get to choose your next leader without the looming evil of Hillary excusing your choice. You can’t point to her any more as cause. If insistence on decent treatment of all Americans makes me a liberal in the eyes of conservatives, then maybe we should take some time to reflect on who our modern conservatives actually are. The world is watching.”

      Decent treatment of ALL Americans (ALL world dwellers for that matter) is precisely what has NOT been occurring the last many years. It’s only one strong reason that the “establishment, not just the democrats” lost the election. The WORLD HAS been watching as American leadership has become lecturing vs action oriented, internally divisive vs inclusive (Black/White/Yellow/Rich/Poor/Middle Class/Man/Woman/Heterosexual/Transsexual/Gay/Lesbian/Other) on a par never seen before for political purposes. Leadership has become increasingly un-protective of the unborn, refugees, and even genocidal where it comes to refugees in Syria and Iraq or our inner city poor of ALL ethnicities (abortion rate over 50% for the poor, higher for the poor blacks). Leadership has become lawless when it comes to equal enforcement of current laws that protect society at large (Immigration/Vandalism/Sanctuary Cities/DOJ, FBI, IRS department corruptions and misuse, etc.) You’re right, ALL citizens deserve to be treated with equal respect and offered safety and opportunity in the USA. Those qualities of respect, safety and opportunity, will hopefully flow more now to and from ALL our citizens and perhaps even flow to outside our borders. Yes, we all need to hold our leaders accountable for decent treatment of ALL citizens. We have to start somewhere don’t we. This election was a start. Now perhaps, citizens WILL hold government accountable for future actions. We can only hope for hope and change for good, not hate, for ALL Americans.

      Sean, how can YOU say the following and have written the intolerant article above? Sean Hughes:”Don’t apologize for not tolerating intolerance”.

      Try tolerance in diversity of opinion, too.

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      • You don’t get to vote for the epitome of intolerance and then claim you are “starting somewhere.” You don’t get to erase anyone else’s history. And you certainly don’t get to complain about being criticized. Not ever. The decorum ship has already sailed away and you missed your chance to board. You do not get to suddenly “rediscover” decency at the expense of everyone else. Get used to it.

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      • Wow.
        You voted Trump. You own it, ALL of it.
        Your rationale is mystifying.
        Got to start somewhere, do we?
        Gambling with international security, our first amendment rights (ALL of them ), our environment, public schools, medicare…using an unstable, ill-equipped individual as your front man. Be a high roller in your own life. The stakes are far too high on a global level.
        You voted Trump, you OWN ALL OF IT.

        I can see a day when whose side you were on for this election, is going to matter.

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      • I’m sorry but I cannot agree with you here. You cannot vote in favor of the most outspoken, venemous opponent to equal treatment and then say we’re starting somewhere. We are on the coaster and we’ve reached the turning point at the top. Prepare to reverse some of the progress we’ve made for the change we got. We will have change but you look at his cabinet and advisors, his complete disregard for precedents and it’s not looking to be positive change. It looks more like the change Germans got from Hitler. He would love to stifle the press entirely and fill the airwaves with lies and propaganda. We needed to start somewhere and the establishment wasn’t it but Trump was clearly the big bad wolf wearing granny’s nightie. Someone who’s clearly sold out everyone with whom he’s dealt for a buck was never going to be the guy to free us from corporate bondage. These 4 years will see a lot of disappointed faces and mud on the faces of many as he continually makes decisions with the interests of his corporate pals in mind.

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  1. I have to say that your words seem to disagree with each other, as a conservative Christian you would never align yourself with a person that is so pro abortion, so I believe you’re making up some things or extremely confused but it makes your story look like an attempt to manipulate people. So I say it is hogwash in a new basket.

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    • Scott you can be against abortion and against hate, racism and all the other crap he spewed. You either love humankind or you don’t in any form. Saving a baby but beating up or shaming someone else is not being a Christian either. Shaming or punishing a woman due to abortion is not your call either. Yes, they should change the law ……to include the man who participated should abortion become outlawed. ..remember Mary Magdalene was accepted by Christ. He asked you to walk in his shoes, not be the judge. One issue voting is not a well thought out decision. We have to wait and see what this unchristian man unleashes…..it’s not all about abortion dude.

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      • Mary Magdalene? I guess you don’t know that she was NOT the prostitute. Gotta read up brother. I vote for Trump. I am ProLife, Not a racist, homophobic or all the nasty things anti-Trump citizens have called us. I have great hope for this nation. We will all be great again.

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      • I am a democrat, but I am Pro life too. I may well be what some have contemptuously dubbed “the single issue voter.” I’m really not, but support for abortion is definitely a litmus test. Then again, what if I was? Abolitionists and civil rights activists have been also called “single issue voters:” it makes me really proud to be counted in their ranks.

        And talking about “single issueism,” this single issue alone, has marginalized me within the party of my choice. It pretty much pushed me out of it.

        I believed the abortion issue was to be the bane of the democratic party. I believe it may have already happened.

        The democratic party is, allegedly, mostly made up of people who are primarily interested in the rights of the poor and the weak (that’s why I’m a democrat). The democrats once missed our appointment with history, when we failed to be on the side of the slaves. We’re big time missing it again when we fail to be on the side of the weakest and most defenseless members of our society: the unborn.

        I am aware of the intense campaign that some pro-life organizations made among Catholic voters, which was particularly strong in states like Michigan and Pennsylvania. I hate to point this out, because I’m thoroughly convinced that religion should stay separate from politics, and that abortion should be rather treated as a civil rights and discrimination issue.

        I used to think that making religion such a prominent ingredient in the abortion debate, harms the pro-life position itself. This time I may have been wrong. Catholic voters have been traditionally democrats, and choosing a known extreme abortionist as the democratic candidate, may have well been the “feather that turned the scales” in those states. I may be wrong, but it may well be more than just a coincidence that Hillary Clinton lost the election because of these states.

        To my pro-life friends I would tell them that I fully understand their support for Trump, but I would advice extreme caution in throwing their support behind such a dubious character. In the long run, if Trump goes down in flames our movement would not escape unscathed. Our only hope is that, before that, he fulfills his campaign promise and manages to name one (or two) worthy successor of Antonin Scalia to the bench.

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      • abortion should be rather treated as a civil rights and discrimination issue

        No. Abortion should not be treated as anything but a woman’s issue. Laws, religion, or other people’s opinion have no place in this matter.

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      • When dealing with human rights, “women’s issues vs. men’s issues” is a false dichotomy, since women and men are two halves of the same humanity. To talk about a female humanity is as specious as talking about a male humanity. One half without the other is not humanity; it’s just a bunch of individuals destined to disappear in less than a generation. Aborted babies probably don’t care much about their sex: they probably just want to live. Even granting the sophisme of “women’s issues” a group of women should not be entitled to decide the fate of another group of women. After all, baby girls get aborted as much (if not more) than baby boys.

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    • It drive me crazy when people say others are “pro abortion.” No one wants abortions. The question is whether government should make that terrible decision or it should be left to a woman, her faith and her doctor. What’s ironic is that many people who say “get government out of our lives” do a massive flip flop when it comes to this issue.

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      • Of course, they’ll use the label pro-abortion because it’s so pejorative. The word pro-choice wasn’t sensational or offensive enough for those who want to promote every pro-choice supporter as an evil person, a hater, and/or a murderer.

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      • The abortion issue will never be understood until people on both sides stop making it a “religious” one. It’s a civil rights issue: it protects the right to life of all people, but it discriminates against those still in the uterus. I don’t think desperate mothers should be judged, but there has to be a way to protect the right to life of all citizens without making unjust discriminations. And doctors who know plainly well that they are taking a human life should, at the very least, not be empowered. Saying that one is against abortion but in favor of a law that protects it . . . (I leave it up to you to connect the dots). At the very least, the law should not explicitly approve of it, let alone promote it and fund it. There’s a human life involved: the taking of a human life should never be a private issue. If there’s a place where the law should definitely be is protecting the lives of all without distinction.

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      • When a government is supporting abortion through groups like Planned Parenthood, government is getting in our lives. Government is using our tax money to support killing. And what about fathers? Shouldn’t they have any rights regarding their offspring? Killing a human is not a personal issue, it’s a societal issue. Whomever we label as not worthy of life, we suddenly can rationalize killing. First it’s unborn babies, then it’s the elderly, then the handicapped. Where does it stop?

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      • Anyone that thinks a women wants to have an abortion isn’t a woman. It is one of the most agonizing decisions that a woman must make in life. Yes, it would be far better to have prevented the pregnancy, but for a myriad of reasons, this is not always possible … just as there are a myriad of reasons why a pregnancy must be terminated.

        Certainly preventing pregnancy is the ideal, but when you consider there are those who want to shut down Planned Parenthood centers — the very location where women can go to obtain pregnancy prevention information and methods — it’s difficult not to see the dichotomy.

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      • I agree, every woman has a right to do with her own body as she wishes, but you forget, the life inside her, at any stage, though connected to her own body, is not her body. It is a separate life that is connected to her (inside), but is in fact a separate life. That’s why if a person causes a woman to miscarry &/or otherwise causes the death of her unborn child, it’s considered fetal homicide. On another note, why is the life of the unborn considered precious & valuable when it’s wanted, but if unwanted, it’s somehow considered of no worth or value. Life either has value & worth or it doesn’t. Being wanted or desired should never be a deciding factor. I’m both pro-choice & pro-life…rape or health to the mother an exception. However, with all the condoms & contraceptives readily available, including the morning-after pill, unwanted pregnancies are almost without exception avoidable. It boils down to being responsible & accountable vs irresponsible & reckless. Almost every woman I’ve talked to who’s had an abortion said they chose to because having a child would impact their life negatively &/or be an inconvenience. Again, the value & worth of any life should be determined or ended just because it’s inconvenient or might impact another life negatively. This may be difficult to swallow, but it is the truth.

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    • Our children can’t unlearn that the reward for being a bully, a cyber bully, and using a level of hate and lies and lies about the lies at an unprecedented frequency – has rewarded a man with the White House.

      Using faith as a rationale to hate is not a Christian value. Wanting a small government- except when a uterus is involved – isn’t a conservative value.

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    • Even Pope Francis, who is very much against abortion as well, denounced Trump’s plans and rhetoric as hateful and extremely un-Christian. I have genuine inability to understand how any Christian could justify voting for a man that represents nothing of the morals that Christians and/or US citizens are supposed to represent. I doubt you can point me to any passage where Jesus tells you to act with hate and discrimination. Trump acts and speaks with hate towards women, minorities, those with disabilities, and Muslims, for starters. The man admits to sexual assault. You’re so focused on abortion that you don’t see any of this? And you call the author un-Christian? Are you trolling? This author expresses more empathy than I’ve been able to muster for the conservatives of the country who considered him a better option “because of , but to say that he can’t be Christian and support Hillary is to completely miss the entire New Testament. All of that aside, you completely missed the point of the article. Either it was an attempt to distract from the author’s sincere plea that conservatives demand that Trump stop with the discrimination or it was “extreme confusion.” If it was the former, then you have no business calling anyone out for moral transgressions.

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      • I agree. And I wish people in either side of the abortion debate will once and for all take religion out of it altogether. Being against abortion equates with being against discrimination of any kind. The one paramount reason to be against the abortion law is cause it treats people unequally: it protects the right to life (and many other rights that depend upon it) of people older than 9 months (and those lucky ones that managed to get earlier out of the unprotecte zone: the uterus), and leaves the younger ones entirely unprotected. It’s the most flagrant discrimination that a human mind can conceive.

        So, if you look at the issue very broadly, then yes, maybe you could say that it is un-Christian to support abortion, as it is un-Christian to support racism, sexism, slavery, exploitation, unjust wars, killing, stealing, etc. But it is, above all else a matter of being a fair minded citizen that just wants to make true the founding principle of our nation: “that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.”

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    • Pro-choice is not pro-abortion. It’s time for you to stop being a reactionary and start taking a critical look at what the issues actually are. Nobody is out there getting abortions for fun, or to prove a point.

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      • No, I totally agree: pro-choice is not pro-abortion, but it certainly is “pro abortion law”. I also agree that nobody does it for fun, and most of the times the desperate mothers that get an abortion end up psychologically scarred for life. No need, no point in judging them. I’m judging an unjust law.

        I wish people on either side of the abortion debate will once and for all take religion out of it altogether. Being against abortion equates with being against discrimination of any kind. The one paramount reason to be against the abortion law is cause it treats people unequally: it protects the right to life (and many other rights that depend upon it) of people older than 9 months (and those lucky ones that managed to get earlier out of the unprotecte zone: the uterus), and leaves the younger ones entirely unprotected. It’s the most flagrant discrimination that a human mind can conceive.

        So, if you look at the issue very broadly, then yes, maybe you could say that it is un-Christian to support abortion, as it is un-Christian to support racism, sexism, slavery, exploitation, unjust wars, killing, stealing, etc. But it is, above all else a matter of being a fair minded citizen that just wants to make true the founding principle of our nation: “that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.”

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    • Abortion or pro choice rights have already been ruled upon by the Supreme Court as has legalized same sex marriage. Trump already said same sex marriage is a dine deal. How does the law not stand on abortion rights? Here is the thing, while believing a man like Trump who changes his convictions and plans daily may have denounced legalized abortion, the law has not changed. He was pro choice a few years ago. Do you really think he cares? Do you not realize from the wall he is not going to build, to rounding up illegal immigrants to a change in abortion laws, these things are not going to happen. You may have put him into office, but the majority of Americans oppose this man, his self righteous anti anything other than white male agenda and will not simply sit idle while he attempts to dismantle our rights. News flash! Not everyone in America is Chridtian or has to be in order to be relevant to the Constitution of the United States. You want prayer in schools? Open your own school. You don’t like abortions, don’t have one. You don’t approve of same sex marriage, marry someone of the opposite sex. You don’t like immigrants, then don’t stay in America because we are a nation of immigrants! By the way, I am a white, female, Christian. Judge not, lest ye be judged! Do onto others as you would do unto yourself! You just put a man into the White House who represents the values furthest away from Christ over an issue, abortion, that our President elect could care less about! Now the white supremists of America are calling the shots or think they are.

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      • I wish people on either side of the abortion debate will once and for all take religion out of it altogether. Being against abortion equates with being against discrimination of any kind. The one paramount reason to be against the abortion law is cause it treats people unequally: it protects the right to life (and many other rights that depend upon it) of people older than 9 months (and those lucky ones that managed to get earlier out of the unprotecte zone: the uterus), and leaves the younger ones entirely unprotected. It’s the most flagrant discrimination that a human mind can conceive.

        It’s not a matter of being oneself personally against having an abortion. In the years leading up to the civil war (the only time in the history of our nation that divisions and hatred were at a level that can compare with the present time), pro-slavery elements held exactly the same argument: “if you don’t like slavery, don’t have a slave.”

        So, if you look at the issue very broadly, then yes, maybe you could say that it is un-Christian to support abortion, as it is un-Christian to support racism, sexism, slavery, exploitation, unjust wars, killing, stealing, etc. But it is, above all else a matter of being a fair minded citizen that just wants to make true the founding principle of our nation: “that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.”

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      • I wish people on either side of the abortion debate will once and for all take religion out of it altogether. Being against abortion equates with being against discrimination of any kind. The one paramount reason to be against the abortion law is cause it treats people unequally: it protects the right to life (and many other rights that depend upon it) of people older than 9 months (and those lucky ones that managed to get earlier out of the unprotecte zone: the uterus), and leaves the younger ones entirely unprotected. It’s the most flagrant discrimination that a human mind can conceive.

        It’s not a matter of being oneself personally against having an abortion. In the years leading up to the civil war (the only time in the history of our nation that divisions and hatred were at a level that can compare with the present time), pro-slavery elements held exactly the same argument: “if you don’t like slavery, don’t have a slave.”

        So, if you look at the issue very broadly, then yes, maybe you could say that it is un-Christian to support abortion, as it is un-Christian to support racism, sexism, slavery, exploitation, unjust wars, killing, stealing, etc. But it is, above all else a matter of being a fair minded citizen that just wants to make true the founding principle of our nation: “that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.”

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    • It is so very tiresome to continually see anti-choice people label pro-choice people as pro-abortion. There is a world of difference and you self-righteous types refuse to get off of your high horse long enough to consider it. This is suppose to be a free country, as free as is possible, for people to make their own life choices. In a Christian sense, they will answer to their maker and no one else. No one should take it themselves to judge and to deny choices where they are possible.

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      • I’m not anti-choice. In fact, being against legalized abortion is being more pro-choice than any wrongly labeled “pro-choicer.” In fact, being in favor of legal discrimination against the unborn means being in favor of denying them the right to choose. Worse, it means denying them the mere chance of getting to a point where they can choose by themselves, because their mothers’ right to choose was deemed more important than their right to live .

        I’m in no high horse. I don’t judge anybody. I just want to live in a country under a law that does not discriminate, where every single human life gets equal legal protection.

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      • i am pro choice, though not pro abortion. I would rather a woman go the adoption route, or better yet, use birth control (although birth control does not work 100% of the time). One thing I could never understand is that conservative Republicans’ belief has always been to keep government OUT of people’s personal lives. I cannot think of a more personal (or agonizing) decision a woman could ever have to make than whether or not to have an abortion. NONE of us know under what situations or conditions the pregnant woman or girl is living under. As a former domestic violence/sexual assault counselor, I can tell you that I would not want to make this decision for any woman living in a dangerous situation. And if abortion IS a sin, it would be GOD’S decision as to whether she will be forgiven or not–NOT OURS! We are ALL sinners, and some sins we’ve committed may be seen by God as being worse than a woman’s decision to have an abortion. And God is also merciful–IF she committed a sin, who are any of us to say she would not be forgiven at some point in her life? And lastly, as Jesus said, “Whoever is without sin, let him cast the first stone.”

        So again, I just don’t understand why Republicans–who have always stood for less government intervention in people’s personal lives–want to decide such a personal decision for someone else?

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    • @Scott Trible im confused. what does abortion have to do with a presidential candidate? 1)the supreme court decided roe vs wade what seems like eons ago, 2)partial birth abortions are illegal 3)we have separation of church and state 4)under current law taxpayer funding cannot be used for abortions. I can see great cause for alarm if abortions were mandatory. (think china in the not too distant past)

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      • Jackquelyn, abortion has a lot to do with a presidential candidate, since he is the one who nominates judges to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court is what decided Roe vs. Wade, making it a right of women and abortion doctors to terminate the lives of the human beings inside the woman’s uterus, because it erroneously interpreted that pregnant women and abortion doctors had that right protected by their constitutional right to privacy. In the same way, the Supreme Court can overturn that erroneous interpretation.
        As for the partial birth abortion, you are right that it is illegal. But many politicians still consider that the partial birth abortion ban is an unconstitutional law, and therefore the decision that declared it constitutional should be overturned by the Supreme Court of Justice. Obama and Clinton are among those politicians.
        Separation of Church and State has nothing to do with equal protection for the rights of everybody, without discrimination. Many churches were opposed to slavery, and yet, abolition did not violate separation of Church and state.
        Taxpayer money cannot be used to fund abortions, but the number one abortion provider and promoter in the US (and I believe, in the world too), Planned Parenthood, receives millions of dollars in tax cuts and actual federal funds. In other words, people who consider abortion a horrible crime are forced to pay to organizations that provide it and promote it. Further more, Medicaid, a federal program fully funded by taxpayers money, mandates abortion funding in cases of rape, incest and illness, injury or physical disorder that may allegedly endanger a pregnant woman’s life. So much for freedom of choice.
        Each abortion is mandatory on the aborted baby: she or he has no choice.

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      • Planned Parenthood does not “promote” abortion. It is an option they offer. Further, the money received by PP from the government does not fund abortions. As this article states: “… the organization uses money from other sources — private donors and foundations as well as fees — to fund its abortion services.”

        One thing that many overlook (either by choice or by prejudice) is the fact that PP offers birth control resources, care for pregnant women, cancer screening, among other services. IOW, abortion is not its primary and/or exclusive service.

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      • Planned parenthood is the number one provider of abortion in the world. The lobby like no other institution to have foreign governments pass laws that will make it possible for them to “offer their option.” That is definitely promoting. I don’t ignore or deny that they provide other services, but I don’t kid myself: their main purpose is abortion and contraception. These are the goals that its founder, Margaret Sanger, had in mind.

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  2. For the most part, I believe this well-written, powerful article portrays my thoughts exactly. Thank you for writing this without the hysterics and condemnations so prevalent in many of the writings of others. This is a fair presentation of issues that all of us must now work to address and resolve, hopefully, together.

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  3. Good article. I’d rather see the electoral college sort it out based on Comey’s Hatch Act violations, Putin and GOP voter suppression. It would be interesting to see our electoral college functioning as intended. Or maybe eliminate it altogether.

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  4. The writer forgets the Democrat’s star senator, Senator Byrd, grand poopah in the KKK: and more recently, Hillary Clinton’s admiration and statement regarding Senator Byrd as her mentor. Just one of many hypocrisies existing on the left but not mentioned to maintain the false narrative. Trump denounced any connection with the KKK. He cannot who controls who says they support him and besides, even Hillary had a chapter of the Klan supporting her. So, cut the crap and the false messaging .

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    • Charlotte, I doubt the writer has forgotten the facts surrounding Senator Byrd, including his complete break from the Klan in 1952, his repeated apologies, his denouncement of the Klan, and his “stalwart” dedication to the Civil Rights cause. The NAACP honored Byrd’s work and mourned his passing (http://www.snopes.com/clinton-byrd-photo-klan/). Acknowledging that Senator Byrd changed, became a better person, and fought for others is not pretense. It is truth.

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      • If it were only apologies, no. There would have to proof that he’d also changed his subsequent stance and actions and gained the respect of those he’d offended. Right now, I honestly don’t know enough about Sessions to answer that, and I have no intention of siding for or against Sessions or attacking Trump’s selection until I study Sessions’ record. I think that’s fair.

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    • Trump is a rapist according to sworn testimony by his first wife. We now have a rapist President-elect of the US.

      Trump brags about his ability to get away with sexually assault.

      Trump bragged, in a broadcast interview about being a pervert in the dressing rooms at Miss Teen USA pageants – leering at naked 15-year-olds. Here’s a transcript from an interview with Trump:

      “Well, what you could also say is that, as the owner of the pageant, it’s your obligation to do that,” Trump said, before discussing how he got away with going backstage when the contestants were naked.

      “Well, I’ll tell you the funniest is that before a show, I’ll go backstage and everyone’s getting dressed, and everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it,” Trump said. “You know, I’m inspecting because I want to make sure that everything is good.”

      “You know, the dresses. ‘Is everyone okay?’ You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody okay?’ And you see these incredible looking women, and so, I sort of get away with things like that.

      Miss Teen USA contestants, as young as 15, have confirmed these accounts.

      So, that’s pervert Trump.

      Shall I go on detailing his other un-American values?

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  5. Thanks for this article. As someone not living in the US I could not believe the election that voted in someone so devoid of the values I had always presumed your citizens stood for.

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  6. And so it begins…. Another liberal invents conservative chops to undermine the support of the only true outsider who may (gasp) end the divide-and-conquer routine of the globalists.

    “If insistence on decent treatment of all Americans makes me a liberal in the eyes of conservatives”… Decent treatment, let’s see.. We’ve got thousands of men being forced by US courts to reward their wives’ fraudulent contract by paying for the care of children who do not carry their DNA. is that decent treatment of all? Oh, let’s not forget the white and black wage earners forced to pay taxes to feed those who choose not to work, since it’s easier to suck the government teat. Decent, right? “Oh, but they have excuses!” That we did what to verify?

    The list goes on. I pray that you get what your twisted excuse tor logic leads you to.

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  7. As far as the abortion issue goes (from a seventy year old woman) the answer is readily-available birth control (perhaps even free, thru single-payer universal healthcare using Medicare). Leave religion out of it. This is a non-issue elsewhere, and is strictly a woman’s matter. Bernie Supporter

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    • Dear Karen, we’ve had readily available birth control for a long time, but it only seems to encourage more irresponsible sex. Responsible sex doesn’t end with birth control; it hardly starts there. The leading cause of unwanted pregnancies is not the lack of birth control. Birth control is everywhere: pharmacies, gas stations, public restrooms, etc.The leading cause of unwanted pregnancies is promiscuity and irresponsible sex. Irresponsible sex and promiscuity are encouraged (or at least facilitated) by the easy availability of birth control.

      Health insurance paying for birth control (as it is already in place through Obamacare) implies that pregnancy is a disease, a malfunction of any part, any organ of our bodies. If anything, a pregnancy is a sign of a healthy reproductive system.

      As you can see, I didn’t mention religion once. It’s just logic.

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      • Maybe just logic, but poor logic.

        Just because it seems to you like birth control might encourage irresponsible sex, doesn’t mean it actually does. That’s your first logical fallacy: begging the question. Having a hypothesis is not proof of that hypothesis. There’s actually been no evidence that availability of birth control increases promiscuity. While unintended pregnancy rates have been pretty stable for decades, the largest groups are women with a known partner, either married or cohabitating. And teen pregnancies have steadily declined.

        Second, the insistence that health insurance is casualty insurance, only to be used in the case of disease. It has never been the same as auto, fire, flood, homeowners insurance, to be used only in the event of a catastrophe. Some do argue that it should be, but it never has been, so precedent is not on your side. By its very name, it is not disease insurance, it’s health insurance. As the second part of your argument points out, pregnancy is a sign of a healthy reproductive system. And yet, health insurance pays for prenatal care, as well as labor and delivery. So, if you think it shouldn’t pay for birth control because pregnancy is not a disease to be prevented, then it also shouldn’t pay for any care associated with pregnancies either. You’re welcome to that view, of course, but please be clear that is what you are arguing. And again, I think precedent is not on your side, and I doubt many people will agree with you.

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      • Hi Karen! I didn’t mean to send that! I hate it when a post posts by itself without even asking.
        Anyway… I’m no fan of statistics; I prefer a good syllogism. Considering the bare facts, I don’t think it’s outlandish temerity to reason that members of a society where the consequences of certain behavior are removed are more likely to engage in that certain behavior (and more so considering it affords them so much pleasure) than the members of a society where there’s no means to remove the unwanted consequences of the pleasurable behavior.
        And as for the health insurance part of the argument, I believe you are not comparing apples to apples. A pregnancy should not be put on an equal footing with the health complications. It’d be tantamount to expect insurance coverage to thwart the healthy functioning of your kidney in prevention of the diseases that may derive from it.
        In other words, prenatal care insurance is to cover for what it can go wrong with the pregnancy, so it cannot be assimilated to insurance to prevent what can go right (namely, the proper functioning of the reproductive system).

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  8. “I’m no Liberal”. You don’t get to decide. We will judge you by your thoughts and actions. I appreciate your thoughtful treatise, if only we could have had this conversation before the election. But alas those who supported Trump were shut down with the racist, bigoted, homophobic and xenophobic shouts. You do much the same here. Your contention that one’s support for Trump is support for the KKK and they should actively refute them is false. You cannot project that supposition on them. For most of Trump supporters it’s laughable that the KKK endorses him, they despise them as much as the Left. As far as trashing conservative values, Hillary Clinton could not have stepped on more of them. When you can’t even start with the truth, anything else that comes out of her mouth goes in one ear and out the other. The United States is still the last, best hope to reach the ideals you state. The error you and many on the left make, is you start the discussion by denouncing my believes instead of promoting your own. So be vocal my friend. We welcome it. Hopefully, we’ll both learn something.

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  9. Here is one thing about this whole thing. As a conservative who spoke out against Trump and promoted a third party candidate to my fellow conservatives (the majority who voted for Trump only as a “lesser of two evils) I can tell you this: Not one of my conservative friends, even those who actually supported Trump, have ANY association with the KKK. None of them support the KKK. None of them post anything positive about it. None of them keep up with it. In fact I don’t believe any of them would have anything to do with that organization.

    I have never been invited to a K K K meeting or rally. I have conservative friends in the north and south and no one promotes KKK. I never see their postings on FB or social media. I NEVER have and never will have anything to do with them. There apparently are KKK people around. The only time I hear anything about them is when liberals media sources say that the KKK supports Trump. And then all the conservatives are lumped together as if we support the KKK. That is grossly unfair.

    If I saw a friend or people passing around something that supported the KKK I would react very strongly and condemn it. I would use my voice and stand firmly against it. I would be bold to condemn it. The only problem is, I don’t know anyone who supports them. I don’t see people promoting them at all. All I see is conservatives being accused of racism. Allow me to quote: “Racism sucks. Being accused of racism sucks too.”.

    I was brought up that the KKK was evil. That the evil they did was horrific. They showed us movies about racism and slavery and the KKK in my Christian school and it made me cry. When I was older (still attending the Christian school) we had serious discussions about it in our history and government classes. KKK was never a good thing, and it was never portrayed that way. Our school celebrated Martin Luther King Jr. day and had rallies. We learned about Harriet Tubman and the underground railroad. Conservatives, I suspect, feel a ” deer in headlights ” kind of thing when they get accused of such things. It doesn’t make sense to the majority of us.

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    • I can appreciate your comment. As a Democrat, I get angry when conservatives say liberals want to take people’s guns away. I, for one, do not, and not one of my liberal friends want this either. Many of us just want some common sense laws enacted so that not just anyone who wants a gun can go to a gun show and come out with a military weapon (which is something I would like to see banned). I’m sorry, but I see no reason for any private citizen to own a military weapon. So I suppose if that’s what they mean when they say liberals want to take their guns away, it may be true–although they normally say it in general terms meaning ALL guns, which is NOT true, it’s just been used as a scare tactic. I personally feel that if they would be banned in the future, those who already legally own military rifles should be allowed to keep them, but they should be banned from future sales. That’s just my opinion.

      But getting back to my original point, I do get angry when conservatives say that liberals want to take everyone’s guns away. I know many liberals who own a gun (or guns), and even I have been considering purchasing one myself. I have no problem with having to register one and waiting a week or so for a background check to be done before I’d get it. Even the majority of NRA members feel common sense gun laws should be enacted. So I wish conservatives would stop equating liberals with “no guns allowed.”

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      • When you go shopping for a gun, see how well you do avoiding any gun that the military might use. My primary home defense handgun is called a Smith & Wesson M&P, one of the most popular handguns out there in civilian ownership. Guess what M&P stands for? Military and police. My Dad’s old bolt-action hunting rifle that I inherited is not really different from the old Mosin-Nagant type that Simo Hayha of the Finnish Army used to snipe 505 confirmed sniper kills during WWII.

        Other than air guns and pellet guns, and maybe derringers, there’s practically no gun that hasn’t been or can’t be used for military purposes. So if you want to ban those, you really DO want to take everybody’s guns away.

        When conservatives think that liberals want to take everybody’s guns away, it’s because liberals often say things like what you just did. “I don’t want to take everybody’s guns away – just the military-style ones, just the scary ugly ones, just the ones they banned in the U.K. and Australia, just the ones that make loud noises, just the ones that can make people bleed, etc., etc.”

        It makes us think you really DO mean “no guns allowed” but want to lull us into complacency, or else that you really have no clue what you’re talking about and could end up taking our guns away out of sheer ignorance. Kind of like the “some of my best friends are. . . ” comment that none of us would accept as a valid defense against a charge of racism.

        By the way, I’ve been a member of the NRA for at least 25 years, and I’ve never once been asked my opinion about the adoption of “common sense gun laws”. The NRA doesn’t use that language, because it is meaningless, and I don’t believe the majority of NRA members would answer ‘yes’ to a poll that asked them something like that.

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  10. What can you do when the KKK is evil, but so is abortion? What can you do when you are against people making rude remarks, but also against corruption? What can you do when you are in favor of every having rights, both minorities and religious groups? We had a conundrum here. A corrupt politician and a rude, crude businessman, those were the choices. She was just as horrible as he was, but much more shrewd. So, what did she run on? Not sure. She ran on, Trump is a horrible person and so are his supporters. Well, she did a good job making people believe that. Trump ran on Hillary is a crook, but I’m going to change the trade deals so we will bring some jobs back to this country, I’m going to build a wall, to keep out the drug cartels because every bit of heroin comes over that border, I’m going to deport criminal (those who commit felons) illegals. I’m going to have better vetting with the refugees. Better vetting doesn’t mean waterboarding.I’m going to figure out ways to lower our debt because our financially irresponsible congressmen and women have put us in so much debt we are about to collapse, I’m going to fight ISIS, so they cannot spread any more throughout the world. I’m going to try to change laws to take better care of the vets. I didn’t vote for a parish priest (and I’ve known some who were about as ruthless) I voted for a man to get us out of this mess we are in. He is a ruthless businessman, and we might need a ruthless businessman to get us out of the financial mess we are in. We might need a ruthless businessman to figure out how to build up the economy, and bring jobs. Please interview the minorities who voted for them and see why they did it, and if they think he is a racist and a bigot. My best friend is Mexican, from Mexico, but a US citizen. She has family there. She voted for Trump, but I know anyone could just say that, so search them out and ask them yourselves. People need jobs. Let’s get everyone’s basic needs taken care of first, then worry about the deeper social issues, because some of those issues will dissipate with jobs.

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    • All I can say about your defense of “the businessman” is anyone can talk a good talk … and he’s one of the best in that arena. Perhaps he will carry out some of the things he’s so flippantly promised, but I, for one, am not going to hold my breath. I think he’s way over-stepped his knowledge on how things work. But, as with all things … time will tell.

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      • There already were several promises he made during the campaign that he had to back off of because THEY WERE UNCONSTITUTIONAL! He knows NOTHING about government, let alone running one. I obviously know more because I KNEW some of the things he said he was going to do were unconstitutional! He is more of a conman than a businessman! He filed FOUR bankruptcies, which hurt American taxpayers–and was proud of it!! ALL of his products are made overseas–is this the man some people think cares about making America great??? He could have employed THOUSANDS of Americans if he wasn’t filled with greed. He also paid NO income taxes for almost 20 years–and THIS is the man some think is going to bring businesses back to the US?! Why didn’t he start with his own during the campaign? Look at his closest associates through his life–scums.One is on the sexual offenders list (and which I believe he is still under investigation for because HE attended the same events where the under-aged girls were). He just settled his fraudulent Trump University scam because the judge said he was tired of him delaying proceedings and that the people deserved their day in court–something he said he would NEVER do on principle! Hmmmmmm!!

        I also believe his own wife didn’t want him to win. When he came out to give his victory speech, she put their young son between them–and she wasn’t smiling. That was a first!! My bet is that if he lost, she would have been filing for divorce days afterwards. She knows everything he said and did was the truth. Now she’s stuck because she will be under SO much pressure to stay with him while he is president. My heart goes out to her because I don’t believe she is anywhere near as dumb as she appears to be, staying with a guy who has done the things he has done to her.

        I’m also betting NO ONE who voted for him ever read the Bible, because if they did they could never have voted for a person so filled with hate, greed, blasphemy and immorality of every kind. We were warned about the signs and I’m scared to death. His rise to power came just like the Bible describes. We have become a Godless nation and other prophecies have been occurring throughout the last 20-30 years. My only consolation is reminding myself that God warned of this and He is still in control. The 144,000 may be a symbolic number, but it still indicates that only a small number won’t be fooled. I’m glad to say I knew better than to follow such a despicable excuse for a human being.

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      • I agree: time will tell. I did not vote for or support Trump. My opinions about the guy are pretty much the same as yours. Some of my opinions are based on assumptions, and some on the very things that I heard from his own lips: none of them are any good. Even though I keep an open mind, and a hopeful heart, I’m afraid that in this case the American electorate made a big mistake.

        But, if things end up going belly up for this government and my fears become a reality, let me tell you that I am one hundred percent persuaded that the blame will hardly lie just with those who voted for him. A similar portion of the blame will be shared by those who put Hillary Clinton as the alternative.

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  11. Aloha. Thanks for airing your thoughts and feelings in a well written article. I liked most of it.

    However, you wrote …

    “the ultimate choice that was made, the one people will remember a hundred years from now, was a willingness to ignore personal decency and fair treatment towards people who are different in service to that change. That was the choice that the minority of the American electorate made. That was the choice that about a quarter of eligible American voters made.”

    No pass. I believe that’s a false and narrow conclusion that does a disservice to pro-Trump supporters, to yourself and to your readers. There was so much more to the support for Donald Trump … and a long list of justifiable complaints about Hillary Clinton. Bad manners, disrespect of others, sleezy comments … and worse … are to be called-out and challenged whenever and wherever. Donald Trump is certainly guilty of those and other very negative character traits. But the election was about much more than bad behavior. FYI – see my Facebook page for my list of the pro’s and con’s of both candidates.

    You ask: “What now?” Good question. In my opinion this is the greatest civic wake-up call “We the people” have had since the Viet Nam war. Most of us are now questioning authority with new vigor, questioning the media and pollsters, pundits and all-things politic. Term limits for Congress, globalization v. nationalism, corruption at the highest levels of government, etc., etc. I’m highly energized by the new debate and I sense that you and millions of others are, too. We’ve needed that personal involvement of the masses for far too long.

    I have a spiritual practice that works for me that I’ll share here. It involves blessing the challenges in my life in order to reframe them to a better outcome. Think of the election, or anything else that really bothers you as you read this. “God, that’s great! Please show me the blessings in THIS situation … and hurry! We are safe, we are loved and all is well.”

    I hope and trust this new found passion for politics will inspire and motivate each of us to interact at the local county level where our voices and ideas can really be heard and where we can be the most influential and effective. Here’s to better days ahead. Thank you.

    All the best to everyone,

    http://www.thc-ministry.org
    http://www.the-last-marijuana-trial.com

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  12. Come on people. Give the man a chance. We don’t like a lot of what he said. Confused that his actions are good while his word’s are often defiling, but it seems he is the first one to actually want to make our lives better and is willing to give up a lot to do so. Let’s stop all the rhetoric and just give him and those he selects the support to do what they say they want to do. Primarily, put the Americans first for a change. We have always been a charitable, welcoming people who of late have been taken advantage of. If you are looking for Christ, He’s not coming just yet, so let’s give Donald Trump a chance. Let’s see how he does. None of you, the Pope or me are to be the judge of anyone. That’s God’s job. Let’s work together, color blind, to help one another. JFK said it right: “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.” So let’s stop this garbage talk, respect each other and stop trying to change each other as it will never happen. You’re okay, I’m okay and we will never think the exact same way, but we sure can have fun trying to help each other reach our goals so we as a community, a state and a country are in a better position to help others who are so less fortunate than we are..

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    • Do you believe in Tinkerbell too? Seriously, Barbara, this guy shows what he is every time he opens his mouth or uses his Twitter account. The very fact he’s backing off of some of the rhetoric he spouted during the campaign is just one more example that he doesn’t have a clue of what he’s doing. He’s chosen people for his cabinet almost strictly based on their loyalty to him during the campaign rather than for their knowledge, experience, or character.

      Personally, I’m seriously afraid of what will happen if someone “offends” him. His ego is so big and his skin so thin, there’s no telling what he’ll do. He reminds me of a 10-year-old trying to find his way in the world.

      I’m not attacking anyone who supports him. That’s their prerogative. Besides, who knows? MAYBE they’re right and he’ll actually make this a better country.

      But I, for one, am not going to hold my breath.

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  13. If there’s a “loud majority” in support of minority rights, how is there even a problem? Even if there’s a small remnant left opposing minority rights, that could hardly have elected Trump and can hardly have significant effect going forward. So, the problems that have plagued America for centuries are basically solved and we should all be thankful. Happy Thanksgiving!.

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  14. You all went from the election, to women, pro life, pro choice, abortion, government, personal, medical, religion, blah, blah, blah. How about this? Women won’t EVER have to get pregnant again, just eliminate the ejectors from knocking us up in the first place? We can vacuum out their brains and put them in jail for masterbation and leave all the women the fuck alone! How’s that sound? LIKE ANYBODY WANTS AN UNWANTED PREGNANCY? No Man has the right to have sex with women unless HE is fixed. How’s that sound? Much preferable to an abortion. MEN are the perps, men are the monsters, men are the murderers! HOW’s THAT FEEL? Women wouldn’t NEED a damn ROE VS WADE if it weren’t for you selfish pigs, Go fuck yourself. I am SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE VICTIMIZING THE VICTIMS. PASS A DAMN LAW PREVENTING MEN FROM HAVING UNPROTECTED SAFE SEX!’ What? You don’t have anything to say now? Cause IM RIGHT! DEAL WITH IT. Self righteous, inconsiderate, selfish, ignorant PIGS. Any if you are a women, A, You are too ugly to get knocked up or B. Infertile or C. frigid or D, Protected by a man (a father or husband) but probably A. So your opinion doesn’t freakin count.

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    • Now C. Alexander, excellent response, keeping the subject on task once it was moved from the election to ….! Thank you for your heartfelt point of view! That is certainly a valid point of view and at least part of it, male unprotected sex should NOT be allowed! Love it! Guys’ responsibility, too!

      I’ll leave it there and make a separate comment back to the original point of government and election. Thanks for your frank entry, C. Alexander!

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  15. Thank you for speaking so humanely. I applaud you as a human being. And if it means anything, I applaud you from the other side of the political spectrum. I hope that folks from both sides can find commonality in human decency and see each other as individuals… and so discover they can work together for the common good. Because we are all in this together, that is for sure.

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  16. I began reading your response assuming I would disagree with most of what you said. I tried to. I tried very hard. Yet much of what you said resonated with me. When I read Paul Bua’s re-post “from his friend Darren Watts explaining how the people who voted from Trump got conned again,” it was as if I’d written it myself. It was clearly my angry self, a retired teacher, who worked hard my entire life to help others learn, understand, and succeed — only to have my sincere hopes for their well-being thrown in my face when they voted for Trump. It will take me awhile to digest it all, but I thank you for your explanation.

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  17. I can’t understand how anyone could vote for Hillary after she was confronted with the fact that her lack of concern got those people killed in Bengazi. She flat set there and said “What does it matter now”? How heartless can a person be? She is connected to George Soros who is a globalist that wants to ruin America. She and Bill have been running a scam foundation for years now. Open your eyes Shawn and read “The Shadow Party, How George Soros, Hillary Clinton, and sixties Radicals seized control of the Democratic Party” by David Horowitz and Richard Poe, Crisis of Character by Gary J. Byrne and Clinton Cash by Peter Schweizer. Yeah Americans voted for Trump because they think there could be, so what has changed with Obama and the Dems.? Nothing! our country is in very sad shape jobs wise and national security wise thanks to the deplorable actions of the Democratic party.

    The Clinton’s are nothing more than the Arkansas mafia and that’s why Americans elected Donald Trump. Now they’ve found out that what has been leaked to the news about the supposed Puttin hacking bears not resemblance to the truth but the investigators refuse to release this information until Obama signs off on it!

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  18. The typical Trump voter: fed a steady diet of fear, hatred, misinformation by the right wing hate machine (looking at you infowars, brietbart, fox, Rush limbaugh) live in a world completely devoid of facts, reason and common sense.

    Trump is just a culmination of the dog eat dog version of the world the right wing profit machine has produced for itself going back decades. I’ve read much about these people, the most insight I’ve gleamed was actually living in the middle of the country for 6 months. They pride ignorance, believe everything no matter how absurd, contradictory as long as it confirms their prejudices. Utterly blind to the fact their party and people like Trump use them like the rubes they are.

    Clinton Arkansas mafia? The thousands of protesters in major cities are paid by the DNC? Hillary running a child trafficking/sex ring out of a pizzaria?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/pizzagate-from-rumor-to-hashtag-to-gunfire-in-dc/2016/12/06/4c7def50-bbd4-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html?utm_term=.ecc223848746

    These people are gone Sean. You can’t reason with them. You can’t show them facts and think they’ll respond to it like a rational human being. These are not people who can be reached with anything, until reality truly hits them where they live. In the pollution the GOP will give them, in the Healthcare that will be taken from them once Obamacare is repealed. I’m done feeling sorry for them, telling them they’re voting against their interest, telling them their being used. Now all there is left is to defend my values, my neighbors, and my nation from the party of Billionaires and their underclass.

    The first order of business the GOP cared most about when Congress convened? Gutting the Office of Congressional Ethics, which investigates fraud by members of Congress, their list of investigations is bipartisan (there are wrongdoers in both), it is one of the few checks on Fraud of Congress. Does anyone on the right even bother looking at what their congress vote for? What their priorities are?
    https://oce.house.gov/reports/investigations/

    Look at planned parenthood. The Hyde Amendment already ban Medicaid funds for Abortions, so no tax-payer dollars go to abortions. Now GOP wants to ban all medicaid funding reimbursements to Plan Parenthood; which provides non-abortion health services to women for all of the US. Texas when it did this (cut all medicaid funds to Planned Parenthood) saw their maternity rate shot up to the highest in the developed world shortly after cutting funding to PP. They hate women and want to control their bodies and health. The party of Old white men, thinks it knows more about women then women themselves.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/20/texas-maternal-mortality-rate-health-clinics-funding
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2016/09/10/texas-maternal-mortality-rate/90115960/
    http://www.npr.org/2016/08/27/491613560/rising-u-s-mortality-rate-for-mothers-is-highest-in-texas

    The GOP is dangerous, their voters too stupid to understand the world around them. We will all suffer because of these people. Too stupid to think about the consequences of their action. Too much hate to see how easily they’re controlled.

    If you get a chance, read, Dear Hunting with Jesus by Joe Bageant. The dynamics of how their world works.

    You are a minority of the people who call themselves conservatives unfortunately. Rational. Reasonable. A dying breed.

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  19. If people had been seriously keeping an eye on Hillary Clinton since she was fired from the Watergate committee for lying, after decades of ONGOING scandals, repeatedly caught lying, screw-up after screw-up, pass after pass where people have gone to prison for doing the same or less, YOU WOULD THINK that most people would recognize that someone with the character of Hillary Clinton should never become president of the USA.

    The above article shows the complete ignorance of the author of the true character and history of Hillary Clinton where many people have now also written books about what a rude, condescending, cursing, no class being Hillary Clinton really is. Any supporter of Hillary Clinton has to pretend to no end – fiction regardless that Hillary Clinton is someone that she is not – competent and honest.

    The truth is that Planned Parenthood mainly provides abortion services. Any money to Planned Parenthood would be better used if given to family geared medical clinics that truly do provide a wide variety of family health services along with all the routine care for females. Planned Parenthood is like Hillary Clinton in that they lie and exaggerate about what they have done. The truth is that they do NOT provide mammograms for women and never have yet they claim that they do. Phone any Planned Parenthood and ask for a pap or a pelvic exam or a mammogram and they will refer you elsewhere.

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